Lost Southern Voice Brenda Scott Wilkinson, a Georgia Writers Hall of Fame Nominee, Has Been Found…

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Editor’s Note: What follows is not a typical blog post. It is a part feature story and part column that I wrote about one of my favorite childhood authors Brenda Scott Wilkinson. I hope you enjoy it!

     In one of my favorite hymns “Amazing Grace,” it is said, “I once was lost, but now am found.” Earlier this year, Brenda Scott Wilkinson, a Georgia native who wrote a series of children’s books: Ludell (1975), Ludell and Willie (1976), and Ludell’s New York Time (1980), was listed among the “Lost Southern Voices” honored in Revival: Lost Southern Voices.

     Originated by Georgia State University and Perimeter College professors, writers and scholars are invited to “discuss favorite authors whose works no longer receive the attention and reading they deserve” through this two-day Georgia literary festival celebrating lost and underappreciated Southern writers,  according to the festival website. Despite being very celebrated and widely read at one point, having been the recipient of the New York Times Book Review Outstanding Children’s Book of the Year, an American Library Association Best Books for Young Adults and a School Library Journal Best Children’s Book designations for works in her trilogy, Wilkinson was likely presumed to be lost by festival organizers as she does not have a website nor is her contact information easily accessible through other means.

     But through God’s amazing grace and the journalistic skills instilled in me by the Henry W. Grady College of Journalism & Mass Communication at the University of Georgia, another of Georgia’s wonderful institutions of higher education, I was able to track down one of my favorite childhood authors and interview her about her writing career. Although Brenda, which she asked me to call her, was born in Moultrie, Georgia in 1946, her Ludell series is based in Waycross, Georgia. “We moved from Moultrie to Waycross when I was in the fourth grade when I was about eight years old. I lived in Waycross until I graduated from high school in 1963,” says Brenda. According to her first book’s description, “Ludell Wilson is a wisecracking bookworm and burgeoning writer who adores her best friend Ruthie Mae, her loving–but strict–grandmother, and everything about growing up. (Including her first pair of blue jeans, and her first boyfriend.)  But in the still-segregated South, Ludell’s warm community exists side-by-side with poverty and injustice.”

     Brenda admits that Ludell’s childhood, in part, mirrors her own. “I wasn’t raised by my grandparents, but I grew up in a generation whose parents were a part of the Great Migration,” Brenda says. “Parents who couldn’t find decent work and they would often leave children with grandparents or other relatives. The same thing that the Caribbean people and Africans do now. So I grew up with a lot of children who grew up in those kinds of households. And I did attend a segregated elementary school that went from first to seventh grade and in high school from seventh grade to senior year.”

     Unlike Ludell, however, Brenda didn’t want to be a writer as a child. “I knew I was an avid reader, but I wanted to be a secretary. There was this show that came on, The Ann Sothern Show, where this woman was a secretary and I thought that was the most glamorous thing in the world, to be able to sit at a desk with a typewriter even though when I took typing in high school, I did poorly,” says Brenda with laughter. “I just thought it was very glamorous when you could have an office and sit and type.”

     In retrospect, Brenda recalls developing a love for words while not realizing what was happening. “In the fifth grade, we had this teacher who would read aloud and I tell you, there was nothing like sitting in that classroom and having her read those stories aloud,” she says.  “It was just a wonderful memory I had. That kind of impacted my thinking around writing. And I think the school devotions we had back then did too. Every day, we would sing a little spiritual song out of the hymnals. Depending on the class, sometimes we would go around a say a Bible verse. I think I incorporated that in my stories, you know when one of the boys said, ‘Jesus wept’ during his time. We had a couple of twin girls who memorized these long verses to show out. But that was a part of our discipline.”

     However, others took notice of Brenda’s love for words and writing ability at an early age. “In high school, I did a book report, and the teacher thought I had copied from some place. Years later, when I came back, they had a big book party for me in Waycross at the library and that teacher was there. She said she knew there was something special about my writing. But you didn’t have those kinds of dreams growing up under segregation. When I got nominated for the National Book Award, I didn’t even know what the National Book Award was.”

     Like Ludell’s mother, Dessa, after graduating from high school, Brenda took part in the Great Migration and moved to New York where she lived with her older sister who had moved there ahead of her. “When I graduated from high school, I very much wanted to go to college, but we didn’t have any money for that. I remember writing home to my mother asking could she borrow money, and she said, ‘Baby, you’re going to have to get a job. Mother can’t help you.’ So I got a job at Citibank and signed up for some classes. I worked at the 399 Park Avenue branch and took some night classes at Hunter College because it was just up the street.”

     During that time period, Brenda met a man through friends at the church she attended. The two married shortly afterward and moved to Alaska where the military had stationed him. And their first daughter was born there as well. However, the small family eventually did move back to New York. The change in location wasn’t the only change on the horizon for the family. “By this point, I was married, but my marriage was falling apart,” says Brenda. “The only thing I could do was go to the library and take my kids to the library because it was free. I couldn’t go out and hang out or get dressed up or do anything so the library was the place where I found solace. And this was during the ‘60s when the Black Arts Movement was taking place so I started attending a writing workshop at the Countee Cullen Library and the poet Sonia Sanchez was leading the group.”

     Although Brenda had begun writing poetry about “everyday events with [her] children,” she still hadn’t considered writing as a career choice until she read her poetry in front of an audience. “Sonia had poems in this book The Poetry of Black America: Anthology of the 20th Century written by Arnold Adoff. He put together this anthology with black writers, and Sonia Sanchez was one of the poets featured in the book. So rather than go up and read her poetry at her time, she asked that her slot be given to members of her workshop.” Unbeknownst to Brenda, editors from Harper & Row Publishers Inc., now HarperCollins, were in the audience. “The next time I got back to the workshop, there was a letter from the editors from Harper & Row waiting for me. And everyone thought was such a big deal. They asked me to come down and talk to them.”

     That meeting officially launched Brenda’s career as a writer. “They asked me, had I ever thought about writing. And I said, ‘Not really.’ They asked me, what were my favorite books? And I said, ‘The Little House’ books by Laura Ingalls Wilder. I think the thing that made me relate so much to those books because although it was about pioneer times, it wasn’t so far removed from what we experienced growing up in the South with a fireplace, you know struggling and everything. They were just intrigued about what I said about growing up under segregation, and they wanted to know more about it.” Following that meeting, the book publishing company offered a contract to Brenda with an advance. “After I wrote the first book and it did well, they offered me a second contract. Bantum Books did the paperback version. The books did very well and Harper & Row had the book jacket for my book all in the bookstore windows.” Also, Christian Science MonitorKirkus ReviewsNation, and The New York Times Book Review reviewed the Ludell series.

     As Brenda grew up in the segregated South, she felt ill-prepared for the experiences she began having as a celebrated children’s author. “They would take me out to meet all of these people and I was so uncomfortable. I remember being in the Russian Tea Room and Jackie Onassis and Peter Duchin were at the next table. I said, ‘There is Jackie Onassis.’ I met all kinds of people. The woman who wrote Freaky Friday, I think her name was Mary Rodgers, she wanted to meet me.”

     Brenda recalls visiting California as an author. “I remember they sent me out to California for a conference. It was the first time I had been to California, but I just stayed in my hotel room the whole time until it was time to go down for dinner or something. I didn’t have the sophistication to be meeting up with these people. It was just a whole new world.”

     Additionally, not having a literary agent or others to advise her, she felt she made some mistakes along the way. “I was 29 years old. If I had had better advisers around me, I may have done better. I didn’t have an agent. I didn’t get the best advice. I got mad with Harper & Row at one point because I thought they weren’t moving fast enough on a project so I left them and went to another company. I just got poor advice, but nevertheless, I have no regrets.”

     After she completed her third novel, she became a staff writer for the United Methodist Church’s Board of Global Ministries in New York. “They wanted me write children’s materials about Africa so they sent me to Africa. And that was such a blessing because I would have never had the money to do that. I went to Angola, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, South Africa, Senegal, all those countries.” Her book was entitled Under the Baobab Tree: Children of Africa. She also wrote Concerning Prayer through her work with the United Methodist Church.

     A Georgia Writers Hall of Fame nominee, Brenda continued to write outside of her staff writing job. She wrote another novel Not Separate, Not Equal about six black teenagers who were abducted when they attempted to integrate a Georgia high school. Her repertoire also includes non-fiction: African American Women Writers (Wiley & Sons), The Civil Rights Movement (Random House) and Jesse Jackson: Still Fighting for the Dream (Simon & Schuster). By then, she had met and circulated with other notable black writers including Maya Angelou, Toni Morrison, Paule Marshall and James Baldwin. Also, fellow Georgia native and author John Oliver Killens became a mentor.

     In 2003, she retired from her position with the United Methodist Church and moved back to Georgia, this time in Atlanta, shortly afterward.  “I was 57 years old when I retired. But I came back to Georgia when I was 60 years old. I couldn’t afford to stay in New York. I had a nice pension, but it was costing me too much to live there. I enjoyed the years I was in New York, but I was also ready for something different. I like waking up and hearing the birds and seeing greenery.”

     Brenda was also looking forward to being alone to write. She aspires to write more stories about black Americans living through segregation. “I think people have this idea that we were so miserable, but we had a lot of good times. During the 1950s, they built recreation centers for black children all across the South because they realized that integration was coming and they wanted us to have our own swimming pools. We had a nice place where we would go dance and play ping pong. We had our bath houses. It was where we met our boyfriends.”

     And she would like her stories to go beyond the pages of a book. “It’s funny because I just picked up Ludell and Willie the other night and started reading it again. I wish someone had done a television series, like Happy Days where they had the white teenagers. I feel like no one has ever taken a close look at what our lives were like growing up under segregation during the teenage years and everything. I think it would make such a wonderful series.”

     But her writing plans have been put on hold for now. As the reverse Great Migration for black Americans continues, her youngest daughter and her children moved from New York and in with her. As a result, Brenda hasn’t had much solitude to  devote to her writing. And wanting to contribute to the household bills, her daughter put the home phone in her name – which makes it hard for people to find Brenda. “My house phone is in one daughter’s name and my cell phone my other daughter in California bought me so that phone is in her name. So how did you find me?” she asks.

     After scouring the Internet over a three-day period, I discovered the name of her church in metro Atlanta and called the church. I left my contact information with the church secretary and asked her to pass it along to Brenda.  “I told the church secretary that my children think it doesn’t matter that nobody can find me at age 73 years old.  They think nobody is looking for me,” Brenda says with laughter. Well, that’s not true, Brenda.  She once was lost, but now she has been found…

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The Inaugural Black Church Presidential Candidate Conversation Series Will Feature Five Democratic Presidential Candidates in Atlanta Starting Tomorrow!

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If you are interested in getting to know the Democratic presidential candidates, you need to get to A! According to the AJC:

Five Democratic presidential hopefuls will converge on Atlanta later this week for a forum with African American church leaders and thousands of black millennials.

U.S. Sen. Cory Booker; South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg; and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro are slated to speak at the Young Leaders Conference on Friday afternoon at the Georgia International Convention Center.

U.S. Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders will be interviewed onstage a day later beginning at 11:30 a.m., according to Black Church PAC, which is co-hosting the event. The conference is expected to draw 5,000 African American millennials and will be live-streamed on social media, organizers said.

Mark Moore, Jr., the Atlanta-based pastor who is hosting the conference, said having five presidential candidates in attendance “demonstrates the inherent power and potential of our black church millennials and the unique appeal of our gathering.” To read the entire article, go to ajc.com and see the flyer above for more details.

If you are interested in the entire conference, which starts today, see the flyer below….

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OWN ‘Greenleaf’ Stand-In for Bishop Greenleaf, Greg Mitchell, Reveals How a Single Email Started His Acting Career at Age 50 & More…

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As OWN’s “Greenleaf” is my favorite television show, I was excited when I met Greg Mitchell, by chance, at my nephew’s college orientation earlier this summer. Greg is the stand-in for Keith David, who portrays our beloved Bishop Greenleaf. And after our conversation, he agreed to be interviewed in anticipation of “Greenleaf” returning on Tuesday, Sept. 3! Hallelujah Saints!

I was inspired after reading about how Ava Duvernay, who is the creator of another OWN hit TV show “Queen Sugar,” left her career in publicity to start her career in making films at 32 years old, but Greg did the same thing at 50!!!

So below is Greg’s bio followed by my interview with him.

Gregory M. Mitchell is the President/CEO of GM Legacy Enterprises since 1999. He is the principal of PROforma formerly Mitchell Media & Marketing, founded in 2003. He the lead 2nd Team Actor (stand-in) for Keith David and Lamman Rucker on the successful cable TV series “Greenleaf” (OWN Network). Gregory has also been featured on “MacGyver,” Marvel’s new “Ant-Man 2,” and he has been cast as a lead in two new short films.

1. You are the CEO of GM Legacy Enterprises and the principal of Mitchell Media & Marketing now PROforma Optimum Business Solutions. How did you get into acting? 

It’s very interesting how I got started. Acting was something that was a childhood dream growing up in Detroit. Unfortunately, there weren’t many outlets for me to turn to in terms of getting any kind of training or anything of that nature. We didn’t have a whole lot of theatres or things of nature in my area and as a young man, inexperienced, I had no idea of where to even begin. I never mentioned it to my mom because otherwise she sure would have found something for me but I never mentioned it. I was also heavily into sports and that kind of ended up taking priority. So I kind of left that in the back of my mind and never pursued it.

Interestingly enough, life took its course and I ended up in the business realm and that’s where I’ve been for the last I don’t know how many years. I’m 52 now, and two weeks before my fiftieth birthday, I’m sitting and watching television and the thought crossed my mind, ‘What would my life be like had I pursued acting as a career path?’ And the Lord quickened in me that it’s never too late. I was like, ‘What? I’m almost 50 years old! That’s a young man’s sport. Naw’ And then once again, He quickened in me that the industry has come to my back door. And at this point in my business career, I own an agency. I’ve owned an advertising agency for 19 years now, and I really haven’t been engaged in the day-to-day operation for maybe about a year in terms of just every day.  So I had time on my hands. And I just began to think, ‘Wow, the industry is at my back door. Production is readily available. And I have time on my hands so why not put myself out there and just see what happens.’

2. So what was your next step?

My business mind kicked in, and I said, ‘Let me put a plan of action together and let’s execute and let’s see what happens.’ Again, it was two weeks prior to my fiftieth birthday. That was my thought process.  Let me at least get started before I turn 50. And this was on a Saturday evening at about 9 p.m. when this thought process began. I’m not really one to let grass grow under my feet so the next morning, I got up and I pulled some photos together. I usually keep my head shots up to date for business purposes so I had a couple of those. The ones that I had were probably two years old. And I had a favorite selfie. I think we all have a favorite selfie. So I armed myself with those three photographs and I got online and started looking up some different casting agencies. I made a list of five extra agencies. I said, ‘Well, let me start there since I have no experience.’ I’m a bootstrapper.  If I can just get my foot in the door, then I can learn from there. I just need to get on somebody’s set so I can see exactly what goes on and figure it all out.

So I made a list of five extra agencies in the Atlanta area and that was on Sunday. And I said, ‘I’m going to send emails on Monday morning.’ Well, on Monday morning, I ended up being busy. I didn’t get a chance to send out all five of my emails. I actually was only able to send out one and then I focused on the business that I had that day. I sent out an e-mail to the agency that was at the top of my list.

The next day, around noon, I get a call. Because in my email what I said was, I’m new to the field. I don’t know what I’m doing; however, I do know what I want to do if given an opportunity. These are some headshots and if nothing else, I would appreciate if someone would give me a call back and give your opinion of my look and whether or not you think that there may be interest – if you think that I have a look that may be of interest to a casting agent.

3. So did you get a response from the only email that you sent?

The young lady that calls said, ‘I am responding to your letter.’ She said it was a very interesting letter. ‘I’ve never received one like that. Typically, we never respond when we receive information from someone that may have submitted their information. We’re either interested or we’re not. If we’re not interested, we don’t call. But I decided to call whether we’re interested or not because you asked me about our opinion. I thought that was interesting so I’m calling you to give you my opinion.’ She said, ‘When I received the email, I saw your photographs, and I thought that you had a great look. I passed your pictures around the office to the other representatives and everyone agreed that you have a great look. If you can act, there’s a great possibility that you can do something in the industry.’ She said, So there you go. If this is what you want to do, I would highly suggest that you do it.’

4. Wow! Did she have anything else to say after she said all of that?

She said, ‘So what is your plan? What’s next for you?’ I said, ‘Well, I was hoping you would tell me what’s next.’ She said, ‘Okay, I would like to have that conversation, but I need to go into a meeting. And if you don’t mind, I will call you later.’ I said, ‘Great, call me later.’ She calls me back at the end of the day about 4:30 that afternoon. She says, ‘Mr. Mitchell, I’ve never experienced this before, but I have a few things I want to talk to you about.’ She says, ‘Remember I had a meeting I had to go into earlier?’ And I said, ‘Yes.’ She said, ‘That meeting was with one of our production clients. It was a post-meeting to just discuss final plans for the first episode of their new season. So we’ve already cast our reoccurring staff for their show; however, while in the meeting and going over some last minute details, the owner of the agency said to the production client that I want you to look at a new photograph we received today. I think he has a very interesting look, and I just want your opinion.’ So they put my photo on the table and the production client said, ‘Wow, he’s got a great look. What are your plans for him?’ They said, ‘Well, we really haven’t even had a chance to talk to him in detail yet.’ The client said, ‘Well, if he’s available, we would like to have him.’

So she calls me back and she’s telling me all of this. So I’m like, ‘Is this a reality show? Because I’m not really interested in any foolishness.’ She said, ‘No, it’s a scripted show on Oprah Winfrey’s network. It’s called ‘Greenleaf.’ ‘Greenleaf’ happened to be one of my favorite shows because for many years because I worked in that field for 20-something years as an employee and then when I started my own agency. I was the chief marketing officer for New Birth Missionary Baptist Church many years ago. So of course, I was elated. They asked, ‘Are you available tomorrow?’ ‘And I said, ‘I can clear my schedule for tomorrow. What time do you need me?’ I’m thinking we’re going to have a meeting. Then she said, “Are you available for the next six months?’ And of course, I’m like, ‘What?!” She told me they were interested in having me as part of the reoccurring background which are extras in a reoccurring state. She said, ‘If you’re available, they would like to make you a part of the regular background as one of the church employees. And they will be filming for the next six months and they would like for you to be a regular on the show. ‘ So I was like,’Yeah, absolutely.’

So I actually started on set the very next day. This was in November of 2016. Nov. 12, 2016 was when I had the thought, and I started on ‘Greenleaf’ on Nov. 16. I had the thought on a Saturday and by that Wednesday, I started that morning at 6 a.m. I had no reel, no resume, no nothing. Only two professional headshots and a selfie.

5. So what was your first day on set like?

So Wednesday was my first day on set as a background and then I was there again on Thursday. I was off on Friday. When I walked into the studio on Monday morning, one of the PAs (production assistant) walked up to me and said, ‘Hey, the director wants you to stand in for Keith David today. He is the bishop on the show.’ Now, mind you, this is technically my third day on the show, and I didn’t even know what a stand-in was. But if the director has requested me to stand in, then I’m going to stand in. I just need someone to tell me what I exactly I need to do. I said, ‘As long as somebody tells me what I need to do, fine.’ So they gave me a quick overview as to what a stand-in does. They gave me the script. When you’re in the background, you don’t need a script because you don’t have lines. So they hand me a script and the director says, ‘Thank you for doing this for me. From the very first day you came on set, I took note of you because you and Keith David look a lot alike. So when his stand-in called in sick today, I immediately thought you would be a perfect stand-in for him.’

6. So what does a stand-in do?

In theatre, a stand-in would be called an understudy. And in theatre, the understudy would step in if the main actor cannot perform a particular night. As a stand-in in film and television, obviously, you don’t step in if they can’t be there. But what you do do as a stand-in is that you actually take the actor’s place in all of the technical rehearsals. You partner with the camera operators, the director, the photographer, the first ad which is short for assistant director. But basically, you are there for their purposes.

While the main actors are in hair and makeup for the next scene that we’re going to be shooting, a stand-in is on set and we’re going through full rehearsals of the scene so that the director of photography who is responsible for the cinematic look of the show and lighting can make sure that all of that is right. The principal actors don’t have the time to be out there for that process. A stand-in is typically similar in complexion, very close in height, so there are similarities between the stand-in and the actual actor. The reason for that is because we are there to make sure that the lighting is right for that actor. You’re partnering with the camera operators, and the camera operators are practicing their moves and how we’re actually going to shoot a scene. Your height is important because the cameras are being adjusted to height levels.

So by the time the main actors come back out, the lighting has already been taken care of because we’re about the same complexion. The cameras are set for height because we’ve already done full rehearsals walking through the entire scene. The main actors rehearse first and then we see what they did and then we reenact that. We rehearse a number of times so by the time the main actors come back out from hair and makeup, everyone knows exactly what they’re doing. So that is what a stand-in does.

So every main character has a stand-in? Every individual in a scene has a stand-in so it’s not just the main characters. The main character has consistent individuals that represent them; however, if it’s an actor that may just be coming in for the day, a day player, or one of the reoccurring actors that is not one of the lead actors, then we rotate. For example, if Keith David is not in a scene but Lamman Rucker is in a scene, then I will stand in for Lamman as well. You remember Kevin who was a part of the show, I’ve stood in for Kevin. Once you become a professional stand-in, your complexion, your height and all of that becomes less important, and it’s about knowing exactly what you’re doing. And that’s what happened to me. I’ve been a stand-in for every, at some point or another, man ever associated with the show including Rick Fox. He’s 6’8 so literally, I would stand on a box.

Do you have to memorize the entire script? Yes. But let’s say that Lamman and Keith are in the same scene, then obviously, I can’t stand in for both of them. In that case, they would bring another stand-in in just for that day for Lamman because Keith is my priority.

7. Did you ever imagine that you become the official stand-in for Keith David, Bishop Greenleaf on the show?

When I became a stand-in, when I stood in for Keith on that first day, and that same day, after doing a couple of scenes, it was unfortunate for the young man who called in sick because he lost his spot to me. After standing in for a few episodes, I learned that we’re not expected to learn the lines. However, I didn’t know any better at first so the very first day that they gave me a script, I learned the lines. I didn’t know that I didn’t have to but I was foolish enough to want to be prepared in case I did. I learned the entire script for that scene in about 15 minutes. And so when we did a rehearsal, all of the other stand-ins were reading their scripts. They noticed that I didn’t have a script in my hand. They were extremely impressed by that and that’s part of the reason why they decided to make me Keith’s permanent stand-in.

After doing this for a couple of episodes, I began to realize that this is the best training that I could possibly get because I ended up taking a couple of acting classes after I did a few episodes. But what I discovered in the class is that everything I was being taught, I already knew because I was exposed to the process every day. I was learning every day from the likes of Keith David, from the likes of Lynn Whitfield, the likes of Lamman Rucker and these talented individuals. I was unconsciously studying and learning because I didn’t realize what I was taking in. And the actual instructor himself pulled me to the side after a few classes and asked me, ‘Why are you here? You seem to know this stuff already.’ I took an inventory and now that I knew what the class consisted of, I realized I could save that money. All I had to do was pay very close attention to what was going on on set. The great thing about being a stand-in is that you have access. You have the ability to stand close to the set and learn and hone your craft.

8. So what can you tell me about this upcoming fourth season of “Greenleaf?”

I can’t tell you too many details but it does start on September 3. I can tell you that it’s going to be an amazing ride. I can tell you that it really starts to dig a little deeper into the family history. It’s going to be very enlightening, and it will be an emotional roller-coaster.

I saw Noah Kendall from the first season in the trailer for this season. Yes, Noah is back. Yes, this season is going to be very exciting. I can tell you that. You do not want to miss an episode. I will say that for sure.

9. I know you have had a long career in business and have met all kinds of people, but have you been starstruck on set at all?

No, I haven’t. The only person that obviously moved me most was meeting Oprah who is one of our executive producers. I was excited the first day that I encountered her on set. She was in her trailer for most of the day. So here’s a funny story. We were at lunch, just finishing lunch as a matter of fact and everyone, pretty much, had returned to set to finish a scene. It just so happened that I wasn’t in that scene along with a few other people so we were still casually sitting, just talking. So in comes Oprah and a couple of her team members. And of course I’m like, ‘Wow there she is.’

So lunch is over and catering is already cleaning up. They’re disposing of all of the remaining food. Oprah is looking for food, but they have literally disposed of most of what was left. The caterer was absolutely in shock. All that was left were salads because they had not gotten to the salads. And there wasn’t a whole lot of the salads left either. So when she walked in the door, I looked over at him and his eyes just got big. She’s like, ‘Hey Kenny.’ And he’s like, ‘Hey, Ms. Winfrey. Are you coming to eat lunch?’ And she said, ‘Yeah.’ He said, ‘Oh my God. No one told me. When you didn’t come out, I assumed that someone brought you lunch in your trailer.’

And she said, ‘No, we didn’t request lunch in the trailer.’ He said, ‘I am sorry.’ There’s a restaurant not far from the studio that she loves. He said, ‘I will send someone to the restaurant that you love. I know what you like. I can send someone down there and have it for you in 20 minutes.’ She said, ‘No, that’s okay. You don’t have to worry about that. I see you have some salad over here. I will just put something together.’ He said, ‘No, no, no, it’s no problem.’ She’s like, ‘No, Kenny, don’t do that. It’s fine. I will just have some of this salad.’ So she scraped together a meal of salad and whatever toppings were left, and she was just as content with that.

So my first opinion of her was, Wow, she really could have made him jump through hoops to accommodate her but that’s not who she is. So that was my first encounter with her. She is as down-to-earth as you and I are and sweet as she could be.

10. What are your future plans in acting after ‘Greenleaf?’

I plan to work as a principal actor after finishing with ‘Greenleaf.’ And the entrepreneurial spirit within me won’t allow me to just stop at that. I want to do the whole gamut – in front of the camera, behind the camera. I’m actually on the verge of starting a casting company casting extras. My casting company ProCAST USA will launch soon. Follow ProCAST USA @ProCASTUSA on Instagram for news and updates.

My experience has really set me up to want to help others who are trying to get into acting.

Alright Saints, we can hold on till September 3 for the start of Season 4 now, right? If not, read my “Greenleaf” recaps! Here is “Greenleaf Finale Recap, Season 3 Episode 13: The New Life…” And if you want to read recaps of all of Season 3 or Seasons 1-2, just go to the search button on the upper right and search by using the term “Greenleaf Season 2 or Greenleaf Season 3!”

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